ARE VILLIANS BETTER THAN HEROES?

PeteWisdom wrote:

THE CAPED CARLITO wrote:

PeteWisdom wrote:

THE CAPED CARLITO wrote:

minimalist wrote:

THE CAPED CARLITO wrote:

Shadowrenderer wrote:

PeteWisdom wrote:

no,


because theres numerous times where Heroes are up against foes who completely outclass them, and still manage to overcome.

^^This.


Plus the hero fights how many villains? Most villains fight a hero every other month/year...

WELL DOESN'T TAKE TIME AND MONEY TO PUT TOGETHER A GOOD PLAN? LOOK AT LEX. HE'S SMARTER THAN SUPERMAN AND IF HE HAD SUP'S POWER, WOULDN'T SUP'S LOSE CAUSE NEXT TO LEX HE'S A DUMB ASS? I'M NOT TLAKING TRASH ABOUT SUPERMAN BUT HE ISN'T SUPERSMART.
THE JOKER DOESN'T HAVE A MILLION DOLLARS COMING IN EVERYDAY SO HE NEEDS TO GATHER MONEY TO HIRE GOONES.

Superman IS supersmart.... they never write himas such... but thatsactually one of his powers

HOW SMART IS HE? I'M JUST ASKING.

SMARTER THAN BATMAN!

SO SUPERMAN ISN'T AN LEVEL 11 AND BATMAN A 12 INTELLIGENCE?

no by what Mini says, Superman would be like level 13, and Bats would be like 11 or 12.


being a level 12 means that you can convince someone to commit suicide in a matter of minutes.

Technically he COULD!!! The only being that could surpass his capacity is a true Caloun such as Braniac

PeteWisdom wrote:

minimalist wrote:

PeteWisdom wrote:

minimalist wrote:

THE CAPED CARLITO wrote:

minimalist wrote:

THE CAPED CARLITO wrote:

Shadowrenderer wrote:

PeteWisdom wrote:

no,


because theres numerous times where Heroes are up against foes who completely outclass them, and still manage to overcome.

^^This.


Plus the hero fights how many villains? Most villains fight a hero every other month/year...

WELL DOESN'T TAKE TIME AND MONEY TO PUT TOGETHER A GOOD PLAN? LOOK AT LEX. HE'S SMARTER THAN SUPERMAN AND IF HE HAD SUP'S POWER, WOULDN'T SUP'S LOSE CAUSE NEXT TO LEX HE'S A DUMB ASS? I'M NOT TLAKING TRASH ABOUT SUPERMAN BUT HE ISN'T SUPERSMART.
THE JOKER DOESN'T HAVE A MILLION DOLLARS COMING IN EVERYDAY SO HE NEEDS TO GATHER MONEY TO HIRE GOONES.

Superman IS supersmart.... they never write himas such... but thatsactually one of his powers

HOW SMART IS HE? I'M JUST ASKING.

He can remember EVERYTHING he's ever seen or experienced to the very last detail. He could read every book on earth and retain ALL that knowledge without skipping a beat. he can speak every language spoken on the planet earth and on several other planets... and his thought process is hundreds oftimes faster then even the most intelligent human...

if he was written rigfht.... SUperman would have no compitition at all

Are you sure that wasn't all taken out during the last crisis?


I know Silver Age Supes has those abilities, but now, not so much.

110% positive. He sill posesses those abilities... but they just dont ever write him using them.

Pretty sure that was Pre-Infinite Crisis.


things were reset again.

They were... but he re-developed those powersagain a long time ago. They just never use them.

minimalist wrote:

THE CAPED CARLITO wrote:

PeteWisdom wrote:

THE CAPED CARLITO wrote:

minimalist wrote:

THE CAPED CARLITO wrote:

Shadowrenderer wrote:

PeteWisdom wrote:

no,


because theres numerous times where Heroes are up against foes who completely outclass them, and still manage to overcome.

^^This.


Plus the hero fights how many villains? Most villains fight a hero every other month/year...

WELL DOESN'T TAKE TIME AND MONEY TO PUT TOGETHER A GOOD PLAN? LOOK AT LEX. HE'S SMARTER THAN SUPERMAN AND IF HE HAD SUP'S POWER, WOULDN'T SUP'S LOSE CAUSE NEXT TO LEX HE'S A DUMB ASS? I'M NOT TLAKING TRASH ABOUT SUPERMAN BUT HE ISN'T SUPERSMART.
THE JOKER DOESN'T HAVE A MILLION DOLLARS COMING IN EVERYDAY SO HE NEEDS TO GATHER MONEY TO HIRE GOONES.

Superman IS supersmart.... they never write himas such... but thatsactually one of his powers

HOW SMART IS HE? I'M JUST ASKING.

SMARTER THAN BATMAN!

SO SUPERMAN ISN'T AN LEVEL 11 AND BATMAN A 12 INTELLIGENCE?

absolutely NOT!!!

Fuck that noise! In the time it took Bruce to form a thought... SUperman could have thought every briliant idea that Bruce has ever had.

Its impossible.


I accept that they write it that way... but it just makes NO sense man.

HEY I'M JUST ASKING.

THE CAPED CARLITO wrote:

minimalist wrote:

THE CAPED CARLITO wrote:

PeteWisdom wrote:

THE CAPED CARLITO wrote:

minimalist wrote:

THE CAPED CARLITO wrote:

Shadowrenderer wrote:

PeteWisdom wrote:

no,


because theres numerous times where Heroes are up against foes who completely outclass them, and still manage to overcome.

^^This.


Plus the hero fights how many villains? Most villains fight a hero every other month/year...

WELL DOESN'T TAKE TIME AND MONEY TO PUT TOGETHER A GOOD PLAN? LOOK AT LEX. HE'S SMARTER THAN SUPERMAN AND IF HE HAD SUP'S POWER, WOULDN'T SUP'S LOSE CAUSE NEXT TO LEX HE'S A DUMB ASS? I'M NOT TLAKING TRASH ABOUT SUPERMAN BUT HE ISN'T SUPERSMART.
THE JOKER DOESN'T HAVE A MILLION DOLLARS COMING IN EVERYDAY SO HE NEEDS TO GATHER MONEY TO HIRE GOONES.

Superman IS supersmart.... they never write himas such... but thatsactually one of his powers

HOW SMART IS HE? I'M JUST ASKING.

SMARTER THAN BATMAN!

SO SUPERMAN ISN'T AN LEVEL 11 AND BATMAN A 12 INTELLIGENCE?

absolutely NOT!!!

Fuck that noise! In the time it took Bruce to form a thought... SUperman could have thought every briliant idea that Bruce has ever had.

Its impossible.


I accept that they write it that way... but it just makes NO sense man.

HEY I'M JUST ASKING.

I'm sorry man.... I just get passionate about Clark Kent.

minimalist wrote:

PeteWisdom wrote:

minimalist wrote:

PeteWisdom wrote:

minimalist wrote:

THE CAPED CARLITO wrote:

minimalist wrote:

THE CAPED CARLITO wrote:

Shadowrenderer wrote:

PeteWisdom wrote:

no,


because theres numerous times where Heroes are up against foes who completely outclass them, and still manage to overcome.

^^This.


Plus the hero fights how many villains? Most villains fight a hero every other month/year...

WELL DOESN'T TAKE TIME AND MONEY TO PUT TOGETHER A GOOD PLAN? LOOK AT LEX. HE'S SMARTER THAN SUPERMAN AND IF HE HAD SUP'S POWER, WOULDN'T SUP'S LOSE CAUSE NEXT TO LEX HE'S A DUMB ASS? I'M NOT TLAKING TRASH ABOUT SUPERMAN BUT HE ISN'T SUPERSMART.
THE JOKER DOESN'T HAVE A MILLION DOLLARS COMING IN EVERYDAY SO HE NEEDS TO GATHER MONEY TO HIRE GOONES.

Superman IS supersmart.... they never write himas such... but thatsactually one of his powers

HOW SMART IS HE? I'M JUST ASKING.

He can remember EVERYTHING he's ever seen or experienced to the very last detail. He could read every book on earth and retain ALL that knowledge without skipping a beat. he can speak every language spoken on the planet earth and on several other planets... and his thought process is hundreds oftimes faster then even the most intelligent human...

if he was written rigfht.... SUperman would have no compitition at all

Are you sure that wasn't all taken out during the last crisis?


I know Silver Age Supes has those abilities, but now, not so much.

110% positive. He sill posesses those abilities... but they just dont ever write him using them.

Pretty sure that was Pre-Infinite Crisis.


things were reset again.

They were... but he re-developed those powersagain a long time ago. They just never use them.

But if it was reset during the last Crisis...


then umm he wouldn't have them.

minimalist wrote:

THE CAPED CARLITO wrote:

minimalist wrote:

THE CAPED CARLITO wrote:

PeteWisdom wrote:

THE CAPED CARLITO wrote:

minimalist wrote:

THE CAPED CARLITO wrote:

Shadowrenderer wrote:

PeteWisdom wrote:

no,


because theres numerous times where Heroes are up against foes who completely outclass them, and still manage to overcome.

^^This.


Plus the hero fights how many villains? Most villains fight a hero every other month/year...

WELL DOESN'T TAKE TIME AND MONEY TO PUT TOGETHER A GOOD PLAN? LOOK AT LEX. HE'S SMARTER THAN SUPERMAN AND IF HE HAD SUP'S POWER, WOULDN'T SUP'S LOSE CAUSE NEXT TO LEX HE'S A DUMB ASS? I'M NOT TLAKING TRASH ABOUT SUPERMAN BUT HE ISN'T SUPERSMART.
THE JOKER DOESN'T HAVE A MILLION DOLLARS COMING IN EVERYDAY SO HE NEEDS TO GATHER MONEY TO HIRE GOONES.

Superman IS supersmart.... they never write himas such... but thatsactually one of his powers

HOW SMART IS HE? I'M JUST ASKING.

SMARTER THAN BATMAN!

SO SUPERMAN ISN'T AN LEVEL 11 AND BATMAN A 12 INTELLIGENCE?

absolutely NOT!!!

Fuck that noise! In the time it took Bruce to form a thought... SUperman could have thought every briliant idea that Bruce has ever had.

Its impossible.


I accept that they write it that way... but it just makes NO sense man.

HEY I'M JUST ASKING.

I'm sorry man.... I just get passionate about Clark Kent.

I CAN TELL. FOR THE RECORD, I DON'T DISLIKE SUPERMAN. I'M JUST A BATMAN GUY. AND NOT JUST ONE OF THOSE FAKERS WHO LIKE THE MOVIE.

PeteWisdom wrote:

minimalist wrote:

PeteWisdom wrote:

minimalist wrote:

PeteWisdom wrote:

minimalist wrote:

THE CAPED CARLITO wrote:

minimalist wrote:

THE CAPED CARLITO wrote:

Shadowrenderer wrote:

PeteWisdom wrote:

no,


because theres numerous times where Heroes are up against foes who completely outclass them, and still manage to overcome.

^^This.


Plus the hero fights how many villains? Most villains fight a hero every other month/year...

WELL DOESN'T TAKE TIME AND MONEY TO PUT TOGETHER A GOOD PLAN? LOOK AT LEX. HE'S SMARTER THAN SUPERMAN AND IF HE HAD SUP'S POWER, WOULDN'T SUP'S LOSE CAUSE NEXT TO LEX HE'S A DUMB ASS? I'M NOT TLAKING TRASH ABOUT SUPERMAN BUT HE ISN'T SUPERSMART.
THE JOKER DOESN'T HAVE A MILLION DOLLARS COMING IN EVERYDAY SO HE NEEDS TO GATHER MONEY TO HIRE GOONES.

Superman IS supersmart.... they never write himas such... but thatsactually one of his powers

HOW SMART IS HE? I'M JUST ASKING.

He can remember EVERYTHING he's ever seen or experienced to the very last detail. He could read every book on earth and retain ALL that knowledge without skipping a beat. he can speak every language spoken on the planet earth and on several other planets... and his thought process is hundreds oftimes faster then even the most intelligent human...

if he was written rigfht.... SUperman would have no compitition at all

Are you sure that wasn't all taken out during the last crisis?


I know Silver Age Supes has those abilities, but now, not so much.

110% positive. He sill posesses those abilities... but they just dont ever write him using them.

Pretty sure that was Pre-Infinite Crisis.


things were reset again.

They were... but he re-developed those powersagain a long time ago. They just never use them.

But if it was reset during the last Crisis...


then umm he wouldn't have them.

no no no.

Directly after CoIE he was considerably weaker... BUT as the years passed he's progressively become stronger and has also begun to to develop many of his old powers. Its true. He's not as powerful as his pre-Crisis self... but thats why they've given him the sun boost (Our Worlds At War, Vs Vera Black) He's getting stronger and stronger as time passes.


Clark Kent IS THE MAN!!!!

minimalist wrote:

PeteWisdom wrote:

minimalist wrote:

PeteWisdom wrote:

minimalist wrote:

PeteWisdom wrote:

minimalist wrote:

THE CAPED CARLITO wrote:

minimalist wrote:

THE CAPED CARLITO wrote:

Shadowrenderer wrote:

PeteWisdom wrote:

no,


because theres numerous times where Heroes are up against foes who completely outclass them, and still manage to overcome.

^^This.


Plus the hero fights how many villains? Most villains fight a hero every other month/year...

WELL DOESN'T TAKE TIME AND MONEY TO PUT TOGETHER A GOOD PLAN? LOOK AT LEX. HE'S SMARTER THAN SUPERMAN AND IF HE HAD SUP'S POWER, WOULDN'T SUP'S LOSE CAUSE NEXT TO LEX HE'S A DUMB ASS? I'M NOT TLAKING TRASH ABOUT SUPERMAN BUT HE ISN'T SUPERSMART.
THE JOKER DOESN'T HAVE A MILLION DOLLARS COMING IN EVERYDAY SO HE NEEDS TO GATHER MONEY TO HIRE GOONES.

Superman IS supersmart.... they never write himas such... but thatsactually one of his powers

HOW SMART IS HE? I'M JUST ASKING.

He can remember EVERYTHING he's ever seen or experienced to the very last detail. He could read every book on earth and retain ALL that knowledge without skipping a beat. he can speak every language spoken on the planet earth and on several other planets... and his thought process is hundreds oftimes faster then even the most intelligent human...

if he was written rigfht.... SUperman would have no compitition at all

Are you sure that wasn't all taken out during the last crisis?


I know Silver Age Supes has those abilities, but now, not so much.

110% positive. He sill posesses those abilities... but they just dont ever write him using them.

Pretty sure that was Pre-Infinite Crisis.


things were reset again.

They were... but he re-developed those powersagain a long time ago. They just never use them.

But if it was reset during the last Crisis...


then umm he wouldn't have them.

no no no.

Directly after CoIE he was considerably weaker... BUT as the years passed he's progressively become stronger and has also begun to to develop many of his old powers. Its true. He's not as powerful as his pre-Crisis self... but thats why they've given him the sun boost (Our Worlds At War, Vs Vera Black) He's getting stronger and stronger as time passes.


Clark Kent IS THE MAN!!!!

SO CLARK IS THE REAL HERO AND SUPERMAN IS THE FAKE?

Quote :

no no no.

Directly after CoIE he was considerably weaker... BUT as the years passed he's progressively become stronger and has also begun to to develop many of his old powers. Its true. He's not as powerful as his pre-Crisis self... but thats why they've given him the sun boost (Our Worlds At War, Vs Vera Black) He's getting stronger and stronger as time passes.


Clark Kent IS THE MAN!!!!

this^^^^^^^^

Shadowrenderer wrote:

Quote :

no no no.

Directly after CoIE he was considerably weaker... BUT as the years passed he's progressively become stronger and has also begun to to develop many of his old powers. Its true. He's not as powerful as his pre-Crisis self... but thats why they've given him the sun boost (Our Worlds At War, Vs Vera Black) He's getting stronger and stronger as time passes.


Clark Kent IS THE MAN!!!!

this^^^^^^^^

So nothing was reset once again after Infinite Crisis?



I'd gotten the impression that it was given the fact that umm you know... many heroes have like their origins being redone.



See Green Lantern, and well Brainiac and such.

Shadowrenderer wrote:

PeteWisdom wrote:

Shadowrenderer wrote:

Quote :

no no no.

Directly after CoIE he was considerably weaker... BUT as the years passed he's progressively become stronger and has also begun to to develop many of his old powers. Its true. He's not as powerful as his pre-Crisis self... but thats why they've given him the sun boost (Our Worlds At War, Vs Vera Black) He's getting stronger and stronger as time passes.


Clark Kent IS THE MAN!!!!

this^^^^^^^^

So nothing was reset once again after Infinite Crisis?



I'd gotten the impression that it was given the fact that umm you know... many heroes have like their origins being redone.



See Green Lantern, and well Brainiac and such.

I'm pretty sure IC made supes stronger & his ability to breath/survive in space was returned here.

True, but theres not much as of late that indicates he has that level of intellect again.

PeteWisdom wrote:

Shadowrenderer wrote:

PeteWisdom wrote:

Shadowrenderer wrote:

Quote :

no no no.

Directly after CoIE he was considerably weaker... BUT as the years passed he's progressively become stronger and has also begun to to develop many of his old powers. Its true. He's not as powerful as his pre-Crisis self... but thats why they've given him the sun boost (Our Worlds At War, Vs Vera Black) He's getting stronger and stronger as time passes.


Clark Kent IS THE MAN!!!!

this^^^^^^^^

So nothing was reset once again after Infinite Crisis?



I'd gotten the impression that it was given the fact that umm you know... many heroes have like their origins being redone.



See Green Lantern, and well Brainiac and such.

I'm pretty sure IC made supes stronger & his ability to breath/survive in space was returned here.

True, but theres not much as of late that indicates he has that level of intellect again.

IC wasnt where he gained his super intellect back. It was during an issue of action comic where he mentioned it but for the life of me I can remember the issue number..... but his latest adventure agaist TRUE Braniac should have proven just how vast his intelligence has grown since CoIE.

minimalist wrote:

PeteWisdom wrote:

Shadowrenderer wrote:

PeteWisdom wrote:

Shadowrenderer wrote:

Quote :

no no no.

Directly after CoIE he was considerably weaker... BUT as the years passed he's progressively become stronger and has also begun to to develop many of his old powers. Its true. He's not as powerful as his pre-Crisis self... but thats why they've given him the sun boost (Our Worlds At War, Vs Vera Black) He's getting stronger and stronger as time passes.


Clark Kent IS THE MAN!!!!

this^^^^^^^^

So nothing was reset once again after Infinite Crisis?



I'd gotten the impression that it was given the fact that umm you know... many heroes have like their origins being redone.



See Green Lantern, and well Brainiac and such.

I'm pretty sure IC made supes stronger & his ability to breath/survive in space was returned here.

True, but theres not much as of late that indicates he has that level of intellect again.

IC wasnt where he gained his super intellect back. It was during an issue of action comic where he mentioned it but for the life of me I can remember the issue number..... but his latest adventure agaist TRUE Braniac should have proven just how vast his intelligence has grown since CoIE.

Enough to keep his brain from melting before he broke free?

minimalist wrote:

THE CAPED CARLITO wrote:

Shadowrenderer wrote:

PeteWisdom wrote:

no,


because theres numerous times where Heroes are up against foes who completely outclass them, and still manage to overcome.

^^This.


Plus the hero fights how many villains? Most villains fight a hero every other month/year...

WELL DOESN'T TAKE TIME AND MONEY TO PUT TOGETHER A GOOD PLAN? LOOK AT LEX. HE'S SMARTER THAN SUPERMAN AND IF HE HAD SUP'S POWER, WOULDN'T SUP'S LOSE CAUSE NEXT TO LEX HE'S A DUMB ASS? I'M NOT TLAKING TRASH ABOUT SUPERMAN BUT HE ISN'T SUPERSMART.
THE JOKER DOESN'T HAVE A MILLION DOLLARS COMING IN EVERYDAY SO HE NEEDS TO GATHER MONEY TO HIRE GOONES.

Superman IS supersmart.... they never write himas such... but thatsactually one of his powers

a normal kryptonian's I.Q is 10x that of Einstein.

there is none greater than the glory that is Doom....

REEF aka Luke Cage wrote:

there is none greater than the glory that is Doom....

damn I gotta agree

Doom is the greatest Villian in ALL of comics!

ANd CoIE wasnt made to just reinvent Supes... It was done to fix all those multiple versions of characters walking around the DCU.


I personally like Supes at his Pre-Crisis levels!

minimalist wrote:

PeteWisdom wrote:

minimalist wrote:

THE CAPED CARLITO wrote:

minimalist wrote:

THE CAPED CARLITO wrote:

Shadowrenderer wrote:

PeteWisdom wrote:

no,


because theres numerous times where Heroes are up against foes who completely outclass them, and still manage to overcome.

^^This.


Plus the hero fights how many villains? Most villains fight a hero every other month/year...

WELL DOESN'T TAKE TIME AND MONEY TO PUT TOGETHER A GOOD PLAN? LOOK AT LEX. HE'S SMARTER THAN SUPERMAN AND IF HE HAD SUP'S POWER, WOULDN'T SUP'S LOSE CAUSE NEXT TO LEX HE'S A DUMB ASS? I'M NOT TLAKING TRASH ABOUT SUPERMAN BUT HE ISN'T SUPERSMART.
THE JOKER DOESN'T HAVE A MILLION DOLLARS COMING IN EVERYDAY SO HE NEEDS TO GATHER MONEY TO HIRE GOONES.

Superman IS supersmart.... they never write himas such... but thatsactually one of his powers

HOW SMART IS HE? I'M JUST ASKING.

He can remember EVERYTHING he's ever seen or experienced to the very last detail. He could read every book on earth and retain ALL that knowledge without skipping a beat. he can speak every language spoken on the planet earth and on several other planets... and his thought process is hundreds oftimes faster then even the most intelligent human...

if he was written rigfht.... SUperman would have no compitition at all

Are you sure that wasn't all taken out during the last crisis?


I know Silver Age Supes has those abilities, but now, not so much.

110% positive. He sill posesses those abilities... but they just dont ever write him using them.

that right there is superman's biggest flaw.
mankind will never be that way.
so he will always be fighting.
it is sad

Shadowrenderer wrote:

REEF aka Luke Cage wrote:

there is none greater than the glory that is Doom....

haha Looks like Doom is chillin' to some beats!

damn skippy