Azrael Returns?

DanElectro wrote:

Shadowrenderer wrote:

I know what you're saying dan, but it's well established that Superman is Methodist. You can't just ignore that or change it because most ppl aren't that. It's part of his story.

You need to read what I wrote above...if you have nothing better to do.

And, no, it's not established fact. It's popularly believed is all.

I'm pretty sure it's canonical fact.

Although . . .

Shadowrenderer wrote:

Making a character religiously abiguous just makes it harder for the writers to "get him/her right".

It's part of who the character is, like Daredevil is Catholic. That's well established. so any writer knows his moral background. Know what I mean?

Leaving out what they fundamentally believe just leads to the character changeing too much between writers.

I never heard of Superman being a Methodist, I don't disagree, I just never thought of it. I always supposed he was christian, though. Although his creators were Jewish, they did not and would not impose a religion on their creation for fear of alienation form christian readers. His up brining in the Midwest although could have been any religion was most likely christian. As Clark Kent he was married in a christian church, but as Superman, I would have thought he would have not commented on his belief.

I don't mind a character having religion if it is a basis for establishing their motives. Matt Murdock being Catholic enforces the idea of his dual identity as a "devil' complete with horns. Ben Grimm is Jewish, but it doesn't seem to add or detract from his character unless you want to draw similarities between his appearance and that of a Golem. But for the most part, a writers use it badly and and love to pick on Catholics.

Although characters like Thor, Odin, Zeus could be considered religion-based, they are more like characters of myth than religion sine they probably have not been actively worshipped or beleived in in more than 2000 years.

How does a charcter like Hawkman or seems to be a representative of reincarnation and egyptian dieties and Wonder Woman who has a basis in Greek mythologies square with christians? Aren't they an affront to those beliefs?

Jim! wrote:

Although characters like Thor, Odin, Zeus could be considered religion-based, they are more like characters of myth than religion sine they probably have not been actively worshipped or beleived in in more than 2000 years.

Zeus maybe hasn't been worshipped for a 2000 years. Thor and Odin were still worshipped until the 12th century and there were even a branch of worshippers left around in the 18th century.

Thomas wrote:

Jim! wrote:

Although characters like Thor, Odin, Zeus could be considered religion-based, they are more like characters of myth than religion sine they probably have not been actively worshipped or beleived in in more than 2000 years.

Zeus maybe hasn't been worshipped for a 2000 years. Thor and Odin were still worshipped until the 12th century and there were even a branch of worshippers left around in the 18th century.

I wonder what does a church service at the Church of Zeus looks like?

Jim! wrote:

Thomas wrote:

Jim! wrote:

Although characters like Thor, Odin, Zeus could be considered religion-based, they are more like characters of myth than religion sine they probably have not been actively worshipped or beleived in in more than 2000 years.

Zeus maybe hasn't been worshipped for a 2000 years. Thor and Odin were still worshipped until the 12th century and there were even a branch of worshippers left around in the 18th century.

I wonder what does a church service at the Church of Zeus looks like?

An altar, sacrifices of animals and other food.

Why do we need to care about religion and comics?

CaptainJoel wrote:

Why do we need to care about religion and comics?

Wait religion and comics or religion in comics?

Because you know this whole forum (at one point was) ABOUT comics?

Don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but at a Comic-con panel they mentioned Azrael making an appearance soon. I think the question was if John Paul Valley would be replacing Batman, and they confirmed that he would be coming back.

True Believer wrote:

CaptainJoel wrote:

Why do we need to care about religion and comics?

Wait religion and comics or religion in comics?

Because you know this whole forum (at one point was) ABOUT comics?

Religion and all the various interactions it has with comics.

I mean, about how religion is portrayed in comics...

It's all just an alternate universe.

Things can be portrayed in a million different ways because in comics there are millions of different truths.

CaptainJoel wrote:

True Believer wrote:

CaptainJoel wrote:

Why do we need to care about religion and comics?

Wait religion and comics or religion in comics?

Because you know this whole forum (at one point was) ABOUT comics?

Religion and all the various interactions it has with comics.

I mean, about how religion is portrayed in comics...

It's all just an alternate universe.

Things can be portrayed in a million different ways because in comics there are millions of different truths.

True dat. But it's still, to a certain extent, a reflection of our own reality, right?

True Believer wrote:

CaptainJoel wrote:

True Believer wrote:

CaptainJoel wrote:

Why do we need to care about religion and comics?

Wait religion and comics or religion in comics?

Because you know this whole forum (at one point was) ABOUT comics?

Religion and all the various interactions it has with comics.

I mean, about how religion is portrayed in comics...

It's all just an alternate universe.

Things can be portrayed in a million different ways because in comics there are millions of different truths.

True dat. But it's still, to a certain extent, a reflection of our own reality, right?

I suppose...

But still, I don't think we should really care much about most character's religions.

Except for Moon Knight.

LifesTruesin wrote:

Shadowrenderer wrote:

CaptainJoel wrote:

True Believer wrote:

CaptainJoel wrote:

True Believer wrote:

CaptainJoel wrote:

Why do we need to care about religion and comics?

Wait religion and comics or religion in comics?

Because you know this whole forum (at one point was) ABOUT comics?

Religion and all the various interactions it has with comics.

I mean, about how religion is portrayed in comics...

It's all just an alternate universe.

Things can be portrayed in a million different ways because in comics there are millions of different truths.

True dat. But it's still, to a certain extent, a reflection of our own reality, right?

I suppose...

But still, I don't think we should really care much about most character's religions.

Except for Moon Knight.

& Azrael? & the Spectre? & a whole buch of others who's beliefs shape their world view.

That's the point.

I have to say, I don't really think religion shapes azraels views, atleast not anymore. Yes he was raised as the "Insane alterboy" as my friend says, but the only thing that has somthing to do with religion with him now is the system, BUT...he has over come the power of the system's control on his mind multiple times, so religion can be taken out.

I guess that remains to be seen. His whole identity and powers came from the working as an agent for the Order of St. Dumas. I don't know if he has to tap in to the "System" in order to call up his super abilities. But the Order is a religious order. Even if he isn't brainwashed, he is still a believer of the religion, I don't think it can be discounted. I don't why people found this character fascinating and are eagerly awaiting his return.

True Believer wrote:

Are you kidding me? Those first two costumes sucked. The third one is pretty lame but it's the only one that doesn't make me want to punch a rabbi.

i think the second one is the worst, first one is the best

but can we keep the rabbi out of this?...he's just an innocent pawn

REEF aka Luke Cage wrote:

True Believer wrote:

Are you kidding me? Those first two costumes sucked. The third one is pretty lame but it's the only one that doesn't make me want to punch a rabbi.

i think the second one is the worst, first one is the best

but can we keep the rabbi out of this?...he's just an innocent pawn

You're right.

I'm gonna kick a priest.

True Believer wrote:

REEF aka Luke Cage wrote:

True Believer wrote:

Are you kidding me? Those first two costumes sucked. The third one is pretty lame but it's the only one that doesn't make me want to punch a rabbi.

i think the second one is the worst, first one is the best

but can we keep the rabbi out of this?...he's just an innocent pawn

You're right.

I'm gonna kick a priest.

AHAHAHAHAHAHA....

why the hell are there are no vidcaps of priests geting kicked on Photobucket?!?!

but fear not, i am drafting a complaint letter

it will be done shortly

REEF aka Luke Cage wrote:

True Believer wrote:

REEF aka Luke Cage wrote:

True Believer wrote:

Are you kidding me? Those first two costumes sucked. The third one is pretty lame but it's the only one that doesn't make me want to punch a rabbi.

i think the second one is the worst, first one is the best

but can we keep the rabbi out of this?...he's just an innocent pawn

You're right.

I'm gonna kick a priest.

AHAHAHAHAHAHA....

why the hell are there are no vidcaps of priests geting kicked on Photobucket?!?!

but fear not, i am drafting a complaint letter

it will be done shortly

This is still my favorite Reef post. I still haven't seen any priest kick vids and it's been like, forever. GET ON IT, DAWG.